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Silver
04-03-2010, 07:30 PM
...how do you pronounce it? I can't decide between "Zeentsch" and "Tsentchh"
Hephesto
04-03-2010, 07:37 PM
Well I've always gone with the first option and I have heard a few mentions of the same prenounciation in GW-based video games (I believe it was in DoW Soulstorm and Warhammer online preview vids) that seem to have gone down the same path.
Brannick
04-03-2010, 07:44 PM
I also say Tie-ra-nids where a lot of folks say Tirra-nids.
I also say Tizz-een-ch.
*I have no life*
Omegon
04-03-2010, 08:02 PM
Tzeentch = Zeentch
Just pronounce it without the T. The T is silent. :D
Ossai
04-03-2010, 08:12 PM
I pronouce it as Zeench.
@Bran, I pronounce Tyranids as Tie-ran-ids.
Omegon
04-03-2010, 08:15 PM
@Bran, I pronounce Tyranids as Tie-ran-ids.
I take it neither of you have touched Dawn of War II yet? :D
Ossai
04-03-2010, 08:19 PM
I take it neither of you have touched Dawn of War II yet? :D
Nope :p
Silver
04-03-2010, 08:31 PM
I also pronounce Tyranids like in Dow II. (Not TYranids like Hive Tyrant)
Omegon
04-03-2010, 09:32 PM
I'm a grammar nazi when it comes to people pronouncing 40k things correctly. :D
Byar
04-03-2010, 09:44 PM
So pronounce tyranids like tyranny?
Omegon
04-03-2010, 09:50 PM
Yes.
Skringly
04-03-2010, 09:56 PM
I'm a grammar nazi when it comes to people pronouncing 40k things correctly. :D
I've argued about this for many years. And I will continue to do so. The fact that the prime unit in the Tyranid army is the Hive Tyrant is kinda of a clue. And as for DoWII what can you say. It's made by the same people who spell colour without the U.
Omegon
04-03-2010, 10:11 PM
And as for DoWII what can you say. It's made by the same people who spell colour without the U.
People like me. :D
Skringly
04-03-2010, 10:27 PM
People like me. :D
Yes...
Also on the subject of Chaos Gods if you play Mark of Chaos you get a pretty good example of how they are said. There actually all prenouced alittle differently than most people do.
Ossai
04-03-2010, 10:31 PM
Okay, you can call it tirinids and us British will call em Tieranids ;)
Skringly
04-03-2010, 10:33 PM
Okay, you can call it tirinids and us British will call em Tieranids ;)
Damn Straight!
Trevor
05-03-2010, 02:18 AM
Atleast you are not like GW. They had that deal a while back (last year) where for 4 months they had labeled the Gaunt Box in the description as 'Tryanids'.
I pronounce Tzeentch as Zz-een-tch.
Musashi
05-03-2010, 01:26 PM
Tzeentch = Zeentch
Just pronounce it without the T. The T is silent. :D
The "T" may be silent, but may have some affect on how you pronounce the following "Z" sound...
In japanese you have a "su" sound and a "tsu" sound, although the difference in pronunciation is difficult to pick up, it is noticeable.
Maybe in whatever language "Tzeench" is written in there may be a simmilar sounding, but different word/name "Zeentch" (further, maybe it should really be writen "Tseench" and the change in orthography from "S" to "Z" is just to clarrify pronunciation...)
Musashi
05-03-2010, 01:30 PM
People like me. :D
Or just people who are english? Colour is the americanised spelling and Color is the english spelling (i may have them the wrong way round..)
Its similar to Adviser vs advisor (english vs american) and the suffix -ised vs -ized (english vs american)
Silver
05-03-2010, 03:17 PM
Colour is the americanised spelling and Color is the english spelling (i may have them the wrong way round..)
You do. :p
I'm guessing everyone knows how to pronounce Zoanthrope? :grin:
Satanaka
05-03-2010, 03:35 PM
I pronouce it as Zeench.
@Bran, I pronounce Tyranids as Tie-ran-ids.
This the way I've always heard it called. It had better be right, I named one of my ferrets this and that's what I call him.
Honsou
05-03-2010, 03:57 PM
T-jesch. :grin:
Omegon
05-03-2010, 07:27 PM
T-jesch. :grin:
Wat. O.o
Byar
05-03-2010, 09:21 PM
someone's being witty.
Brannick
06-03-2010, 02:53 PM
I am going to continue with the 'T' at the front of zeentch and I am so leaving the 'Tie' in the ranids - I was uncouth when I joined and I shall remain so :grin:
Was also unaware that many folks pronounce Khorne as 'Korn' when it should actually be said with a silent X, so it should sound 'zyorn'.
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(who will be roped in by that) :grin:
Honsou
06-03-2010, 04:23 PM
Wat. O.o
That's the way I say it, most of the time :p
Zorganist
06-03-2010, 06:00 PM
I say t-zeench, it just doesn't sound right without the 'T', in my opinion. Really, considering Tzeentch is the Lord of Change, wouldn't it be safe to assume the correct pronunciation changes periodically with His whim?
40K is full of wierd pronounciations, (I've heard a GW employee pronounce Macragge ma-crarge, when I always thought it was Mack-ridge). I still have no idea how you say T'au, is it just like Tau? Is it T-chow? Maybe T...ow?
Silver
06-03-2010, 06:03 PM
Mack-rahge, not Mack-RAGE ;)
Skringly
06-03-2010, 07:13 PM
I still have no idea how you say T'au, is it just like Tau? Is it T-chow? Maybe T...ow?
I had a friend who called it Tay-o, what an idiot he was.
Honsou
06-03-2010, 07:28 PM
I had a friend who called it Tay-o, what an idiot he was.
Why? Although I agree that's not the way I'd pronounce it, until and unless there is some sort of phonetic guidance, he's not technically wrong ;)
Silver
06-03-2010, 09:29 PM
some sort of phonetic guidance
See Dark Crusade.
Honsou
06-03-2010, 09:43 PM
See Dark Crusade.
See the pyramid of fluffyness ;) If, on the other hand, there was some guidance on the subject in the codex, then that would be valid :p
Gagoc The Ancient
07-03-2010, 12:31 AM
I am just glad no one has delved into the depths of Heresy and pronounced Chimera with 'sh'.
As for the other words I say t-Zeen-CH (capitals equal hard sound, lower-case soft), Ti-ran-nids (as in Tyrranosaurus), Mah-Craaj, Zo-an-thrope, and Tau the same as Tao.
Other difficult names include Sanguinius (San-gwin-ee-us), Lufgt Huron (Luf't Hew-ron the g is there but silent), Jhagatai Khan (Jag-A-tay Karn), and Roboute Gulliman (Ro-Boot Gully-man).
Honsou
07-03-2010, 12:42 AM
Well, Chimera is one of the easy ones- it is simply lifted as is, rather than being adapted, or invented. Chimera is simply "Ki-mera." Or, if you prefer: \kī-ˈmir-ə, kə-\
Jhagatai Khan (Jag-A-tay Karn) Really? Fair enough, but would have thought that "Khan" was well established enough, as in the person he is named for: Genghis Khan (pronounced /ˈdʒɛŋɡɪs ˈkɑːn/ or /ˈɡɛŋɡɪs ˈkɑːn/).
Silver
07-03-2010, 02:46 AM
Well, Chimera is one of the easy ones- it is simply lifted as is, rather than being adapted, or invented. Chimera is simply "Ki-mera." Or, if you prefer: \kī-ˈmir-ə, kə-\
I pronounce the Chi in Chimera like in the word Chinese.
Honsou
07-03-2010, 03:00 AM
I pronounce the Chi in Chimera like in the word Chinese.
That would be wrong though, that's the difference ;) Not that, at the end of the day, it matters that much- as long as people know what you're on about, all things are equal.
Byar
07-03-2010, 08:01 AM
with the 'T'au' I think it should be divided into two syllables, so Ta-ow or something, but that's only because it was brought up here, before that I just said tau like most other people.
Honsou
07-03-2010, 03:15 PM
T-auw?
Satanaka
07-03-2010, 03:32 PM
I am just glad no one has delved into the depths of Heresy and pronounced Chimera with 'sh'.
As for the other words I say t-Zeen-CH (capitals equal hard sound, lower-case soft), Ti-ran-nids (as in Tyrranosaurus), Mah-Craaj, Zo-an-thrope, and Tau the same as Tao.
Other difficult names include Sanguinius (San-gwin-ee-us), Lufgt Huron (Luf't Hew-ron the g is there but silent), Jhagatai Khan (Jag-A-tay Karn), and Roboute Gulliman (Ro-Boot Gully-man).
I've always said them as (Zeench), (Tir-an-nids), (Mack-Crag), (Tao), (San - Gwen-nus), (Looft Hur - on, like the lake in the US), (Jag-Tay Kon), (Ki-Mera) and (Ro- boot-tay Gully-man)Generally, this is also the way the GW employees in my local shop pronounce them also.
I do say Zoanthrope the same way as you though.
Gagoc The Ancient
07-03-2010, 04:42 PM
I pronounce the Chi in Chimera like in the word Chinese.
That's only slightly less heretical than pronouncing it Shi-mera.
Try imagining it's spelt Khimera and pronounce it.
There's a very good reason for using this technique.
Honsou
07-03-2010, 04:44 PM
That's only slightly less heretical than pronouncing it Shi-mera.
Try imagining it's spelt Khimera and pronounce it.
There's a very good reason for using this technique.
Aye, given that is close to the actual spelling- people often forget, there is no "c" in the greek alphabet.
Inquisitor023
07-03-2010, 07:51 PM
I say it as Chim-era
Honsou
07-03-2010, 08:01 PM
The chim being pronounced as a soft c? Properly it should be pronounced Ki-mEra.
Inquisitor023
07-03-2010, 08:04 PM
The chim being pronounced as a soft c? Properly it should be pronounced Ki-mEra.
Chim as in chimney. And I know how it should be pronounced, but screw you. :p
Silver
07-03-2010, 08:27 PM
Okay guys, next one:
Istvaan.
Honsou
07-03-2010, 08:33 PM
Ah, a good one- not least because there are several spellings. We have Istvaan, Istavaan, Isstvan and several others xD
I usually go with "Istavaan" as in "ist-a-vaan."
Zorganist
07-03-2010, 08:35 PM
I say Ist-varn, seeing as how that's the only way I've seen it spelt.
Ossai
07-03-2010, 08:39 PM
"East-a-van" Thats how I say it ;)
Inquisitor023
07-03-2010, 08:42 PM
It's-a-Van! *Points*
Skringly
07-03-2010, 08:42 PM
"Ist-van" is how I've always said it.
Zorganist
07-03-2010, 08:57 PM
Should we re-name this thread to '40K Pronounciations Compendium' yet? Tzeentch was a bit of a mis-leading name anyway, and moreso now.
Musashi
08-03-2010, 07:30 AM
with the 'T'au' I think it should be divided into two syllables, so Ta-ow or something, but that's only because it was brought up here, before that I just said tau like most other people.
Remeber, the name of the race (ie on the front of the codex) doesnt have an apostrophe, so it probally is pronounced TAU, the cept name "T'au" is probally pronounced with a gutteral stop (as evidence in klingon for instance) to diferentiate the two words..
Silver
08-03-2010, 03:19 PM
Indeed - T'au is their homebase, not their race.
Byar
08-03-2010, 06:30 PM
most sincere apologies, my knowledge of the tau background is limited and from a number of years ago, I hope I have not offended loremasters such as yourselves
Honsou
08-03-2010, 06:51 PM
most sincere apologies, my knowledge of the tau background is limited and from a number of years ago, I hope I have not offended loremasters such as yourselves
I shall have to discuss your trespasses with gagoc :devil: If found guilty, you will be sentenced to a tour of the custard mines ;)
Byar
08-03-2010, 07:20 PM
Sweet mother of mercy! Not the custard mines! Anything but the custard mines!
*breaks down weeping and reverts to the foetal position, in a catatonic state*
Gagoc The Ancient
08-03-2010, 10:41 PM
Byar, with the approval of the lord Arbiter Honsou, I sentence you to one week in the Custard Mines.
May the Emperor have mercy on your soul, because we won't.
Honsou
08-03-2010, 10:43 PM
I second this verdict. The Loremasters have spoken :grin:
Silver
08-03-2010, 10:51 PM
And custard sipping is not allowed. We'll keep an eye....actually both eyes on you! ;)
Satanaka
08-03-2010, 11:36 PM
Okay guys, next one:
Istvaan.
I've always said (ist - van)
VolatilSpam
09-03-2010, 12:09 AM
Ist-vahn
Muck-rag (take that, roboot gillyman!)
T'au I just say like Tau, because there's no vowel there to give the T its own syllable.
Tee-ran-ids or ti-ran-ids (like tyrannosaurus)
Silver
09-03-2010, 12:26 AM
Karandras?
Musashi
09-03-2010, 07:22 AM
T'au I just say like Tau, because there's no vowel there to give the T its own syllable.
There doesnt need to be a vowel, its a glottal stop....
Honsou
10-03-2010, 06:21 AM
There doesnt need to be a vowel, its a glottal stop....
It doesn't even need to be that. The apostrophe simply signifies that there is a letter (or more) "missing." Hence why we have "can't", "haven't", "don't" and so on. Regardless, the "race" is "Tau" not "T'au", and as such no special rules need be applied to the pronunciation.
Zorganist
10-03-2010, 05:48 PM
It doesn't even need to be that. The apostrophe simply signifies that there is a letter (or more) "missing." Hence why we have "can't", "haven't", "don't" and so on. Regardless, the "race" is "Tau" not "T'au", and as such no special rules need be applied to the pronunciation.
But, if it was pronounced the same way as 'Tau', why would there be a need for the apostrophe?
I assume that Tau language doesn't have apostrophes, and that 'Tau' and 'T'au' are pronounced (or spelt) differently. Logically, this forces us to conclude that both words are Imperialised spellings and the apostrophe is added to denote a difference in pronounciation, thus making it easier to distinguish between Tau the race and T'au the world in both written and spoken converstaions.
Inquisitor Bob
18-03-2010, 12:43 PM
Greetings Citizens
The names of the foul powers of Chaos should not be pronounced at any time. To do so draws the attention of the foul denizens of the warp and is an unforgivable blasphemy against the God Emperor. Even knowing the names of these abominations is a blight upon your minds and more importantly, your immortal souls.
Your souls belong to the Emperor and it is your duty to keep them taint free.
You are to remain in your hab-blocks until agents of His Most Holy Inquisition arrive to cleanse your souls and purify your bodies.
Thought for the Day: "The Known is but a shadow of the Knowable."
Ossai
18-03-2010, 12:47 PM
Karandras?
Ka-ran-dras
And Inquisitor Bob? I defy ye ;)
Inquisitor Bob
18-03-2010, 12:54 PM
Ka-ran-dras
And Inquisitor Bob? I defy ye ;)
Is the last thing the filthy heretic said before the cold steel of a boltgun muzzle was pushed into his neck.
*BLAM*
:p
Honsou
19-03-2010, 11:51 AM
You can't kill him, we've tried.
Ossai
19-03-2010, 06:02 PM
Yup, I just keep coming back for more. Bullets taste nice.
Jihad Jack
19-03-2010, 06:38 PM
he also talks like Skeletor according to my friends.
Ossai
19-03-2010, 06:56 PM
Only when I am angry, or drunk...
Inquisitor Bob
20-03-2010, 08:46 AM
Only when I am angry, or drunk...
Keep up the Heresy and there will be plenty more yummy bullets for you :p
Tainted Princeps
03-04-2010, 03:00 PM
Nurgle
Nur-gul? Ner-gool?
Honsou
03-04-2010, 04:35 PM
Nur-gl(e).
Zorganist
03-04-2010, 07:05 PM
I thought this thread was dead...
Anyway, I've always said Nur-gul
Skringly
03-04-2010, 07:07 PM
It's said Nurgul.
Ossai
03-04-2010, 11:56 PM
Nur-gl(e), I don't pronounce any us in it.
KaizerVonAwesome
05-06-2010, 05:06 AM
...how do you pronounce it? I can't decide between "Zeentsch" and "Tsentchh"
Zintch.
Not to hijack but this has made me curious...
How do you guys say Slaanesh? Slann-esh? Or Slannish? I use the former.
Tyranids? I use it like the tyr in the word tyranny.
I refuse to say Khorne, flamer, stubber, or melta. Those words are silly.
VolatilSpam
05-06-2010, 03:47 PM
"Flamer" is silly? o.O
Anyway, I say it "Slah-nesh"
Skringly
05-06-2010, 06:16 PM
Slan-nee-eish
Lord Krull
05-06-2010, 06:53 PM
I dont really see how there can be a differentiating opinion of how to say Slaanesh. Its spelt pretty obviously. Slah-nesh. Even has the double "a" to point out the "ah".
Jihad Jack
05-06-2010, 07:00 PM
the correct name for Slaanesh that wont get you "killed" is...........
FAB-OU-LOUS!!!!!!!!
lol I couldnt resist OT.
Silver
06-06-2010, 02:01 AM
and the "e" is pronounced as in saying "eh?".
japehlio
06-06-2010, 02:37 AM
Yeah, Slaa [long "Aaah", like at the dentist] nesh [like "nest", but with "sh"]
Slaah-nesh
Silver
06-06-2010, 02:56 AM
lol the worst way of saying it would be slain-eyesh